Roundabout at George Elmer Drive & Cattle Drive

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Roundabout project drawing.

The City of Missoula's Engineering Division reactivated the roundabout project that was planned for the intersection of George Elmer Dr. and Cattle Dr. The completed roundabout will enhance safety at this intersection, especially for pedestrians and bicyclists crossing George Elmer Drive.

Engineering staff members want to provide the public with updated information. They are happy to answer questions and welcome public comment on the project. Please use the Questions and Comments tabs below to ensure a timely response and to help us track comments. If you would like to receive an email notification when we update the project and this page, please subscribe under Stay Informed.

UPDATE - July 18, 2023

Following routine chip and seal maintenance scheduled for George Elmer Drive in late July/early August, City Streets Operations and Maintenance crews will construct intersection safety improvements. This work is expected to begin the week of August 14 and will consist of pedestrian refuge islands on George Elmer Dr. and tighter turning radii at all intersection corners to reduce vehicular speeds across crosswalks. Due to contractor availability and cost escalation, the proposed pedestrian refuge islands will be constructed out of cost-efficient, quick-build materials that include pre-cast pin-down curbs and washed rock. Temporary striping of the new lane configuration along George Elmer Dr., from Bell Tower Rd. to Pius Way, will be completed as part of the intersection work. Final striping will follow approximately one month later.

The City will maintain two-way traffic along George Elmer Dr. and Cattle Dr. throughout these construction activities.

Interim intersection design plans (July 2023)

UPDATE - September 2, 2022

Public Works & Mobility recently learned that our RAISE Grant request was not selected for funding. As a result, PWM will proceed with interim improvements using the funding that is currently available. These interim improvements include traffic calming and safety enhancements, such as pedestrian refuge islands on George Elmer Drive, crosswalk and bicycle crossing pavement markings, buffered bike lanes along George Elmer Drive north and south of the intersection, and intersection corner delineators and striping to reduce turning speeds. The pedestrian refuge islands will be constructed in their ultimate locations to accommodate a future roundabout.

Interim intersection design

Interim intersection approach striping design plan

Future roundabout design

In addition, the McNett Flats and Heron's Landing subdivisions are both required to install enhanced trail crossings that include striped crosswalks, ADA-compliant ramps, and rectangular rapid flashing beacon (RRFB) lights. We anticipate the McNett's crossing will be installed later this year.

UPDATE - August 3, 2022

The George Elmer Drive/Cattle Drive Roundabout continues to be on hold due to insufficient funding. Since the project's inception over 15 years ago, costs have increased significantly, leading to a large budget shortfall. Public Works & Mobility reevaluated the project in light of new information from the Sxwtpqyen Area Master Plan and the Mullan BUILD Project and decided that the roundabout, while we still want to install it in the future, it is not needed right now to safely manage traffic. The primary benefit of a roundabout at this location would be to slow traffic and make it easier for pedestrians and bikes to cross George Elmer Drive. A roundabout is not currently necessary to manage traffic flow.

PWM continues to seek funding for the project, including a recent federal Rebuilding American Infrastructure with Sustainability and Equity (RAISE) Grant that would help complete this project and other portions of the Mullan BUILD Project. If successful, the RAISE Grant would fully fund the Cattle Drive Roundabout and allow construction in the next 2 to 3 years. We expect to hear about the RAISE Grant this fall.

In the meantime, PWM is pursuing several interim measures. First, the McNett Flats and Heron's Landing subdivisions are both required to install enhanced trail crossings, which include striped crosswalks, ADA-compliant ramps, and rectangular rapid flashing beacon (RRFB) lights. We anticipate the McNett's crossing will be installed later this year. Second, PWM has designed intersection improvements for Cattle Drive that include pedestrian crossing islands to enhance safety until the roundabout can be funded and installed. If the RAISE Grant is unsuccessful, we will move ahead with these improvements next spring.

PWM met with representatives from the Flynn Ranch and 44 Ranch homeowners associations earlier this summer. We will follow up with those groups and the Neighborhood Council when we know more about the RAISE Grant this fall. Thank you for your patience. Please feel free to reach out with any questions.

UPDATE - April 1, 2022

The roundabout project is on hold for the time being. We are looking for the intersection improvements to go in another direction in the short and mid-terms. However, we do plan on finalizing an infrastructure design concept soon and then later this month taking the information to homeowners associations, developers who may contribute funding, and the Neighborhood Council to get their thoughts.

UPDATE - September 3, 2021

The project's engineering consultant has completed plans at a 90% design level. We expect to see released for construction plans in a few weeks and will look to advertise the construction portion of the project this year. We may not be able to begin construction this year, we will continue to move this project along as quickly as possible.

UPDATE - September 30, 2020

After receiving several questions and comments about this project, City Engineer Kevin Slovarp provided the following additional information:

The water feature at its current height blocks the visibility of a pedestrian crossing Cattle Drive from north to south from the driver of a vehicle traveling east on Cattle Drive to the intersection with George Elmer Drive (GED). The water feature also "hides" vehicles approaching and within the GED intersection from the driver of a vehicle traveling east on Cattle Drive. The water feature is planned to be modified to a lower height to allow for the sight visibility hazard to be mitigated and allow for the safe travel of pedestrians, bicyclists, and motorists at and through the intersection. The pedestrian visibility issue is not a major concern at this time as this west leg of the intersection is currently controlled with a stop sign. The roundabout is needed for access control and a higher form of access control (roundabout from stop-control) is needed at this intersection to effectively serve 44 Ranch and Flynn Ranch residents. Without the proposed roundabout, access to/from GED will become more and more difficult as additional development occurs both north and south of this intersection. Some of those developments are in the City’s subdivision review process now. At this time, the plan is for the water feature to remain a water feature, but lower in height, and the adjacent sign modified enough for the sight visibility concerns to be successfully mitigated.

The proposed roundabout has another intended function rather than just access control. It also allows additional pedestrian safety when crossing GED. The center medians will provide a pedestrian refuge and reduce the length of pedestrian crossing distance. This is especially important as 44 Ranch 5-acre park draws residents from the Flynn Ranch development.

The City is planning on undertaking these proposed intersection improvements to proactively increase the safety of all people walking, riding, or driving at this intersection.

The center of the proposed roundabout is desired to be landscaped and not just a big concrete circle. The City will either need to take maintenance responsibilities for the planned landscaping or the HOA, residents of 44 Ranch, and/or Flynn Ranch will need to do so. If the HOA or residents take over the landscaping maintenance duties, it could likely be designed to what the residents desire, more aesthetically pleasing, and/or maintained to the degree the residents desire.

In addition to the intersection improvements at Mullan and GED, the BUILD Grant project is constructing additional non-motorized infrastructure to both sides of GED between 44 Ranch and Mullan Road.

Another aspect of the BUILD Grant project and physical construction of street improvements is a planned reduction of the current speed limit from 45 mph to 30 mph.

For more information on the BUILD Grant project, please visit https://www.missoulacounty.us/government/community-development/community-planning-services/planning-projects/build-grant.

Information on the Mullan Area Master Plan is available at https://www.mullanareamasterplan.com/home, and there is an Engage Missoula topic for the plan at https://www.engagemissoula.com/mullan-area-master-plan.

Current Status

The City is moving forward with the project because access to the area and safety need to be improved before upcoming housing construction projects begin in the area. The original plans for the project are being revised and updated, and construction is expected to begin as soon as the design is finalized and weather permits.

There have been concerns about the status of the water feature currently installed on the west side of the intersection. In order to mitigate sight visibility hazards, comply with sight visibility requirements, and have the future roundabout function as intended, the water feature must be lowered to a height of less than 30 inches. Lowering the water feature will be part of the project.

This project will be funded using both developer and City contributions.

Background

Design and construction of the roundabout was required as City Council conditions of approval for the 44 Ranch and Flynn Ranch subdivisions. Unfortunately, conflicts over design elements left the project only partially complete for many years.

The City of Missoula's Engineering Division reactivated the roundabout project that was planned for the intersection of George Elmer Dr. and Cattle Dr. The completed roundabout will enhance safety at this intersection, especially for pedestrians and bicyclists crossing George Elmer Drive.

Engineering staff members want to provide the public with updated information. They are happy to answer questions and welcome public comment on the project. Please use the Questions and Comments tabs below to ensure a timely response and to help us track comments. If you would like to receive an email notification when we update the project and this page, please subscribe under Stay Informed.

UPDATE - July 18, 2023

Following routine chip and seal maintenance scheduled for George Elmer Drive in late July/early August, City Streets Operations and Maintenance crews will construct intersection safety improvements. This work is expected to begin the week of August 14 and will consist of pedestrian refuge islands on George Elmer Dr. and tighter turning radii at all intersection corners to reduce vehicular speeds across crosswalks. Due to contractor availability and cost escalation, the proposed pedestrian refuge islands will be constructed out of cost-efficient, quick-build materials that include pre-cast pin-down curbs and washed rock. Temporary striping of the new lane configuration along George Elmer Dr., from Bell Tower Rd. to Pius Way, will be completed as part of the intersection work. Final striping will follow approximately one month later.

The City will maintain two-way traffic along George Elmer Dr. and Cattle Dr. throughout these construction activities.

Interim intersection design plans (July 2023)

UPDATE - September 2, 2022

Public Works & Mobility recently learned that our RAISE Grant request was not selected for funding. As a result, PWM will proceed with interim improvements using the funding that is currently available. These interim improvements include traffic calming and safety enhancements, such as pedestrian refuge islands on George Elmer Drive, crosswalk and bicycle crossing pavement markings, buffered bike lanes along George Elmer Drive north and south of the intersection, and intersection corner delineators and striping to reduce turning speeds. The pedestrian refuge islands will be constructed in their ultimate locations to accommodate a future roundabout.

Interim intersection design

Interim intersection approach striping design plan

Future roundabout design

In addition, the McNett Flats and Heron's Landing subdivisions are both required to install enhanced trail crossings that include striped crosswalks, ADA-compliant ramps, and rectangular rapid flashing beacon (RRFB) lights. We anticipate the McNett's crossing will be installed later this year.

UPDATE - August 3, 2022

The George Elmer Drive/Cattle Drive Roundabout continues to be on hold due to insufficient funding. Since the project's inception over 15 years ago, costs have increased significantly, leading to a large budget shortfall. Public Works & Mobility reevaluated the project in light of new information from the Sxwtpqyen Area Master Plan and the Mullan BUILD Project and decided that the roundabout, while we still want to install it in the future, it is not needed right now to safely manage traffic. The primary benefit of a roundabout at this location would be to slow traffic and make it easier for pedestrians and bikes to cross George Elmer Drive. A roundabout is not currently necessary to manage traffic flow.

PWM continues to seek funding for the project, including a recent federal Rebuilding American Infrastructure with Sustainability and Equity (RAISE) Grant that would help complete this project and other portions of the Mullan BUILD Project. If successful, the RAISE Grant would fully fund the Cattle Drive Roundabout and allow construction in the next 2 to 3 years. We expect to hear about the RAISE Grant this fall.

In the meantime, PWM is pursuing several interim measures. First, the McNett Flats and Heron's Landing subdivisions are both required to install enhanced trail crossings, which include striped crosswalks, ADA-compliant ramps, and rectangular rapid flashing beacon (RRFB) lights. We anticipate the McNett's crossing will be installed later this year. Second, PWM has designed intersection improvements for Cattle Drive that include pedestrian crossing islands to enhance safety until the roundabout can be funded and installed. If the RAISE Grant is unsuccessful, we will move ahead with these improvements next spring.

PWM met with representatives from the Flynn Ranch and 44 Ranch homeowners associations earlier this summer. We will follow up with those groups and the Neighborhood Council when we know more about the RAISE Grant this fall. Thank you for your patience. Please feel free to reach out with any questions.

UPDATE - April 1, 2022

The roundabout project is on hold for the time being. We are looking for the intersection improvements to go in another direction in the short and mid-terms. However, we do plan on finalizing an infrastructure design concept soon and then later this month taking the information to homeowners associations, developers who may contribute funding, and the Neighborhood Council to get their thoughts.

UPDATE - September 3, 2021

The project's engineering consultant has completed plans at a 90% design level. We expect to see released for construction plans in a few weeks and will look to advertise the construction portion of the project this year. We may not be able to begin construction this year, we will continue to move this project along as quickly as possible.

UPDATE - September 30, 2020

After receiving several questions and comments about this project, City Engineer Kevin Slovarp provided the following additional information:

The water feature at its current height blocks the visibility of a pedestrian crossing Cattle Drive from north to south from the driver of a vehicle traveling east on Cattle Drive to the intersection with George Elmer Drive (GED). The water feature also "hides" vehicles approaching and within the GED intersection from the driver of a vehicle traveling east on Cattle Drive. The water feature is planned to be modified to a lower height to allow for the sight visibility hazard to be mitigated and allow for the safe travel of pedestrians, bicyclists, and motorists at and through the intersection. The pedestrian visibility issue is not a major concern at this time as this west leg of the intersection is currently controlled with a stop sign. The roundabout is needed for access control and a higher form of access control (roundabout from stop-control) is needed at this intersection to effectively serve 44 Ranch and Flynn Ranch residents. Without the proposed roundabout, access to/from GED will become more and more difficult as additional development occurs both north and south of this intersection. Some of those developments are in the City’s subdivision review process now. At this time, the plan is for the water feature to remain a water feature, but lower in height, and the adjacent sign modified enough for the sight visibility concerns to be successfully mitigated.

The proposed roundabout has another intended function rather than just access control. It also allows additional pedestrian safety when crossing GED. The center medians will provide a pedestrian refuge and reduce the length of pedestrian crossing distance. This is especially important as 44 Ranch 5-acre park draws residents from the Flynn Ranch development.

The City is planning on undertaking these proposed intersection improvements to proactively increase the safety of all people walking, riding, or driving at this intersection.

The center of the proposed roundabout is desired to be landscaped and not just a big concrete circle. The City will either need to take maintenance responsibilities for the planned landscaping or the HOA, residents of 44 Ranch, and/or Flynn Ranch will need to do so. If the HOA or residents take over the landscaping maintenance duties, it could likely be designed to what the residents desire, more aesthetically pleasing, and/or maintained to the degree the residents desire.

In addition to the intersection improvements at Mullan and GED, the BUILD Grant project is constructing additional non-motorized infrastructure to both sides of GED between 44 Ranch and Mullan Road.

Another aspect of the BUILD Grant project and physical construction of street improvements is a planned reduction of the current speed limit from 45 mph to 30 mph.

For more information on the BUILD Grant project, please visit https://www.missoulacounty.us/government/community-development/community-planning-services/planning-projects/build-grant.

Information on the Mullan Area Master Plan is available at https://www.mullanareamasterplan.com/home, and there is an Engage Missoula topic for the plan at https://www.engagemissoula.com/mullan-area-master-plan.

Current Status

The City is moving forward with the project because access to the area and safety need to be improved before upcoming housing construction projects begin in the area. The original plans for the project are being revised and updated, and construction is expected to begin as soon as the design is finalized and weather permits.

There have been concerns about the status of the water feature currently installed on the west side of the intersection. In order to mitigate sight visibility hazards, comply with sight visibility requirements, and have the future roundabout function as intended, the water feature must be lowered to a height of less than 30 inches. Lowering the water feature will be part of the project.

This project will be funded using both developer and City contributions.

Background

Design and construction of the roundabout was required as City Council conditions of approval for the 44 Ranch and Flynn Ranch subdivisions. Unfortunately, conflicts over design elements left the project only partially complete for many years.

Questions

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  • Share Hello, Why is George Elmer blocked completely off but not being worked on at all? It seems as if it would be perfectly fine to drive on, considering no work is being done, and to avoid the inconvenient detour. on Facebook Share Hello, Why is George Elmer blocked completely off but not being worked on at all? It seems as if it would be perfectly fine to drive on, considering no work is being done, and to avoid the inconvenient detour. on Twitter Share Hello, Why is George Elmer blocked completely off but not being worked on at all? It seems as if it would be perfectly fine to drive on, considering no work is being done, and to avoid the inconvenient detour. on Linkedin Email Hello, Why is George Elmer blocked completely off but not being worked on at all? It seems as if it would be perfectly fine to drive on, considering no work is being done, and to avoid the inconvenient detour. link

    Hello, Why is George Elmer blocked completely off but not being worked on at all? It seems as if it would be perfectly fine to drive on, considering no work is being done, and to avoid the inconvenient detour.

    Lexi asked almost 3 years ago

    Thank you for the question. At this time, work on George Elmer Dr. is being conducted near its intersection with Mullan Rd. This includes some utility relocation and stormwater work that may not be obvious since it involves only the portion of George Elmer Dr. nearest the new roundabout location. In addition, changing around and moving the signage for the traffic detours takes time and would delay construction efforts if contractors had to stop work and move the required signage each time they shift from one work activity to the next. It's more efficient and cost effective to have the street closed until all the work is done and it can be fully open it to traffic. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

  • Share My main confusion on this is who pays for it? The developer(s) was to build this roundabout to City specs, as a condition of approval. The info on Engage Missoula seems to contradict that and say that the City is paying for these changes and upgrades. So... which is it? Thank you. on Facebook Share My main confusion on this is who pays for it? The developer(s) was to build this roundabout to City specs, as a condition of approval. The info on Engage Missoula seems to contradict that and say that the City is paying for these changes and upgrades. So... which is it? Thank you. on Twitter Share My main confusion on this is who pays for it? The developer(s) was to build this roundabout to City specs, as a condition of approval. The info on Engage Missoula seems to contradict that and say that the City is paying for these changes and upgrades. So... which is it? Thank you. on Linkedin Email My main confusion on this is who pays for it? The developer(s) was to build this roundabout to City specs, as a condition of approval. The info on Engage Missoula seems to contradict that and say that the City is paying for these changes and upgrades. So... which is it? Thank you. link

    My main confusion on this is who pays for it? The developer(s) was to build this roundabout to City specs, as a condition of approval. The info on Engage Missoula seems to contradict that and say that the City is paying for these changes and upgrades. So... which is it? Thank you.

    Scoops asked over 3 years ago

    Thank you for the question. The design and construction will be mostly paid for by area developments—44 Ranch, Flynn Ranch, and Mcnett Flats—with additional funding coming from the City of Missoula from Transportation Impact Fees. These fees are collected when new homes or businesses are constructed, and they are used to pay for the additional impacts on street wear and tear and various traffic management needs. 

  • Share since the city seems to think this project needs to done they should be responsible for maintaining it. also do not under stand why this intersection is a more immediate concern when Mullen and George Elmer is not being addressed. on Facebook Share since the city seems to think this project needs to done they should be responsible for maintaining it. also do not under stand why this intersection is a more immediate concern when Mullen and George Elmer is not being addressed. on Twitter Share since the city seems to think this project needs to done they should be responsible for maintaining it. also do not under stand why this intersection is a more immediate concern when Mullen and George Elmer is not being addressed. on Linkedin Email since the city seems to think this project needs to done they should be responsible for maintaining it. also do not under stand why this intersection is a more immediate concern when Mullen and George Elmer is not being addressed. link

    since the city seems to think this project needs to done they should be responsible for maintaining it. also do not under stand why this intersection is a more immediate concern when Mullen and George Elmer is not being addressed.

    Pat6 asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for commenting on this project. The City will be responsible for maintaining the infrastructure the project constructs. This intersection is not of a more immediate concern than the intersection of Mullan and George Elmer Drive. The Mullan / George Elmer Drive intersection is currently being designed (it’s at a 90% design level) by the BUILD Grant Project and may go to construction in 2021. The George Elmer Drive / Cattle Drive intersection improvement project is a City project in the design phase soon (later in March). It will be constructed when the design is complete, a contractor has been hired, and the work is coordinated with other construction projects in the area (Mullan / George Elmer Drive intersection, other BUILD Grant Projects, and Mullan Road Widening). It is entirely possible the Mullan / George Elmer Drive intersection could be constructed before the George Elmer Drive / Cattle Drive intersection is constructed.

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  • Share The link provided in a previous question provides a clear picture of the proposed design. Zooming in on the date shows 01/09. Is this January of 2009 or January 9, 2021? If it is the former date, please explain the circumstances that led to more than a decade long delay? on Facebook Share The link provided in a previous question provides a clear picture of the proposed design. Zooming in on the date shows 01/09. Is this January of 2009 or January 9, 2021? If it is the former date, please explain the circumstances that led to more than a decade long delay? on Twitter Share The link provided in a previous question provides a clear picture of the proposed design. Zooming in on the date shows 01/09. Is this January of 2009 or January 9, 2021? If it is the former date, please explain the circumstances that led to more than a decade long delay? on Linkedin Email The link provided in a previous question provides a clear picture of the proposed design. Zooming in on the date shows 01/09. Is this January of 2009 or January 9, 2021? If it is the former date, please explain the circumstances that led to more than a decade long delay? link

    The link provided in a previous question provides a clear picture of the proposed design. Zooming in on the date shows 01/09. Is this January of 2009 or January 9, 2021? If it is the former date, please explain the circumstances that led to more than a decade long delay?

    John Hancock asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for your question. The date on the plans is January 2009.  The decade long delay occurred as the two adjacent developers could not come to agreement on the funding split for the remaining work required by each of their conditions of subdivision approvals, City stepping in to facilitate the remaining work and provide the funding shortfall, and the 44 Ranch constructed water feature creating a sight visibility hazard all contributed to the delay of this project.

  • Share What is the total amount owed by the developers for the roundabout improvement and what progress has been made over the last month to collect it? on Facebook Share What is the total amount owed by the developers for the roundabout improvement and what progress has been made over the last month to collect it? on Twitter Share What is the total amount owed by the developers for the roundabout improvement and what progress has been made over the last month to collect it? on Linkedin Email What is the total amount owed by the developers for the roundabout improvement and what progress has been made over the last month to collect it? link

    What is the total amount owed by the developers for the roundabout improvement and what progress has been made over the last month to collect it?

    John Hancock asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for the follow-up question. The City continues to work with area developers on the cost of improvements for the roundabout. Developer contacts have occurred in the past month and future communication will occur in February. The existing developments have previously set aside a specific dollar amount for each of their developments to go toward the roundabout improvements.

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  • Share Where can we see the proposed construction plans? on Facebook Share Where can we see the proposed construction plans? on Twitter Share Where can we see the proposed construction plans? on Linkedin Email Where can we see the proposed construction plans? link

    Where can we see the proposed construction plans?

    erschwenk asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for your question. The plans haven’t been updated yet as the City is working to hire a consultant to complete the final design improvements. However, the intersection has been preliminarily designed, and a drawing of the preliminary design can be viewed by following this link:  http://www.ci.missoula.mt.us/DocumentCenter/View/55345/George-Elmer-Cattle-Dr-Roundabout-Plan (PDF).

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  • Share A traffic study prepared for the Mcnett subdivision suggested the developer contribute to the roundabout. If annexation and approval succeeds some combination of homes, commercial structures, and up to approximately 650 apartments will add to traffic. Lacking information about the specific unit totals, how do you arrive at a fair price to obtain additional revenue for the project? on Facebook Share A traffic study prepared for the Mcnett subdivision suggested the developer contribute to the roundabout. If annexation and approval succeeds some combination of homes, commercial structures, and up to approximately 650 apartments will add to traffic. Lacking information about the specific unit totals, how do you arrive at a fair price to obtain additional revenue for the project? on Twitter Share A traffic study prepared for the Mcnett subdivision suggested the developer contribute to the roundabout. If annexation and approval succeeds some combination of homes, commercial structures, and up to approximately 650 apartments will add to traffic. Lacking information about the specific unit totals, how do you arrive at a fair price to obtain additional revenue for the project? on Linkedin Email A traffic study prepared for the Mcnett subdivision suggested the developer contribute to the roundabout. If annexation and approval succeeds some combination of homes, commercial structures, and up to approximately 650 apartments will add to traffic. Lacking information about the specific unit totals, how do you arrive at a fair price to obtain additional revenue for the project? link

    A traffic study prepared for the Mcnett subdivision suggested the developer contribute to the roundabout. If annexation and approval succeeds some combination of homes, commercial structures, and up to approximately 650 apartments will add to traffic. Lacking information about the specific unit totals, how do you arrive at a fair price to obtain additional revenue for the project?

    John Hancock asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you again for the question. Kevin Slovarp responded as follows:

    We would base a developer contribution on the amount of traffic anticipated for the planned development to the overall traffic at the roundabout.  Residential homes contribute around 10 trips per day, and each apartment unit contributes around 7 trips per day. There are also contributions of vehicle volumes based on the type of commercial use that is anticipated.  All these trips are assigned to the transportation system and a total amount of development traffic is then assigned to the future roundabout.  These trips are compared to the total of all traffic at the intersection to develop a percentage share of the cost.  In addition, the City may be funding the design and construction costs so that the Mcnett Flats development wouldn’t directly contribute to these roundabout improvements.

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  • Share Will this project require adding, removing, or replacing existing street lights either within Flynn or 44 Ranches to illuminate the actual roundabout? on Facebook Share Will this project require adding, removing, or replacing existing street lights either within Flynn or 44 Ranches to illuminate the actual roundabout? on Twitter Share Will this project require adding, removing, or replacing existing street lights either within Flynn or 44 Ranches to illuminate the actual roundabout? on Linkedin Email Will this project require adding, removing, or replacing existing street lights either within Flynn or 44 Ranches to illuminate the actual roundabout? link

    Will this project require adding, removing, or replacing existing street lights either within Flynn or 44 Ranches to illuminate the actual roundabout?

    John Hancock asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for your question. City Engineer for Surface Transportation Kevin Slovarp provided the following answer:

    The answer to this question is "yes and no."  The reason the answer is yes is because the existing luminaries on the west side of the road may be within Common Area platted by the 44 Ranch subdivision and the reason the answer is no is most of the existing luminaires are within the right-of-way and not on private property.  Some of the existing luminaries may need to be relocated to provide the correct amount of light in the right location.  To answer further, the final design of the roundabout will include a design component for lighting.  This lighting design will include the necessity to illuminate the center of the roundabout and all splitter islands on all legs of the intersection.  There will likely be more luminaire poles to light the center of the roundabout.  In addition, all lighting will be required to meet the City’s Outdoor Lighting Ordinance 8.64.

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  • Share Back in 2008 the developer of Flynn Ranch received notification of project approval. Among conditions of approval is: “6. The subdivider shall be required to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the City, State, and the 44 Ranch developers relating to financial participation for the construction of the roundabout at Cattle Drive/George Elmer Drive, for the Mullan Road/George Elmer Drive traffic signal, and all George Elmer Drive base roadway improvements in accordance with existing City, State and 44 Ranch developer MOU’s prior to final plat approval for Phase One, subject to review and approval by Public Works.” Several questions have come up in connection with this issue including: 1. What was the overall agreed upon dollar amount that Stockyard Investments, LLC (the Flynn Ranch developer put in the memo to satisfy the participation requirement? 2. What payment frequency was established to satisfy the participation requirement? 3. Flynn Ranch was developed in three phases. Were any financial reviews conducted to determine the sufficiency of those fees in view of rising labor and construction costs as time went on? 4. Has the City of Missoula received the full payment agreed to in the (MOU) from the Flynn Ranch developer? If no, what is the outstanding balance and what is the City of Missoula doing to collect any outstanding balance? Thank you. John Hancock on Facebook Share Back in 2008 the developer of Flynn Ranch received notification of project approval. Among conditions of approval is: “6. The subdivider shall be required to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the City, State, and the 44 Ranch developers relating to financial participation for the construction of the roundabout at Cattle Drive/George Elmer Drive, for the Mullan Road/George Elmer Drive traffic signal, and all George Elmer Drive base roadway improvements in accordance with existing City, State and 44 Ranch developer MOU’s prior to final plat approval for Phase One, subject to review and approval by Public Works.” Several questions have come up in connection with this issue including: 1. What was the overall agreed upon dollar amount that Stockyard Investments, LLC (the Flynn Ranch developer put in the memo to satisfy the participation requirement? 2. What payment frequency was established to satisfy the participation requirement? 3. Flynn Ranch was developed in three phases. Were any financial reviews conducted to determine the sufficiency of those fees in view of rising labor and construction costs as time went on? 4. Has the City of Missoula received the full payment agreed to in the (MOU) from the Flynn Ranch developer? If no, what is the outstanding balance and what is the City of Missoula doing to collect any outstanding balance? Thank you. John Hancock on Twitter Share Back in 2008 the developer of Flynn Ranch received notification of project approval. Among conditions of approval is: “6. The subdivider shall be required to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the City, State, and the 44 Ranch developers relating to financial participation for the construction of the roundabout at Cattle Drive/George Elmer Drive, for the Mullan Road/George Elmer Drive traffic signal, and all George Elmer Drive base roadway improvements in accordance with existing City, State and 44 Ranch developer MOU’s prior to final plat approval for Phase One, subject to review and approval by Public Works.” Several questions have come up in connection with this issue including: 1. What was the overall agreed upon dollar amount that Stockyard Investments, LLC (the Flynn Ranch developer put in the memo to satisfy the participation requirement? 2. What payment frequency was established to satisfy the participation requirement? 3. Flynn Ranch was developed in three phases. Were any financial reviews conducted to determine the sufficiency of those fees in view of rising labor and construction costs as time went on? 4. Has the City of Missoula received the full payment agreed to in the (MOU) from the Flynn Ranch developer? If no, what is the outstanding balance and what is the City of Missoula doing to collect any outstanding balance? Thank you. John Hancock on Linkedin Email Back in 2008 the developer of Flynn Ranch received notification of project approval. Among conditions of approval is: “6. The subdivider shall be required to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the City, State, and the 44 Ranch developers relating to financial participation for the construction of the roundabout at Cattle Drive/George Elmer Drive, for the Mullan Road/George Elmer Drive traffic signal, and all George Elmer Drive base roadway improvements in accordance with existing City, State and 44 Ranch developer MOU’s prior to final plat approval for Phase One, subject to review and approval by Public Works.” Several questions have come up in connection with this issue including: 1. What was the overall agreed upon dollar amount that Stockyard Investments, LLC (the Flynn Ranch developer put in the memo to satisfy the participation requirement? 2. What payment frequency was established to satisfy the participation requirement? 3. Flynn Ranch was developed in three phases. Were any financial reviews conducted to determine the sufficiency of those fees in view of rising labor and construction costs as time went on? 4. Has the City of Missoula received the full payment agreed to in the (MOU) from the Flynn Ranch developer? If no, what is the outstanding balance and what is the City of Missoula doing to collect any outstanding balance? Thank you. John Hancock link

    Back in 2008 the developer of Flynn Ranch received notification of project approval. Among conditions of approval is: “6. The subdivider shall be required to enter into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) with the City, State, and the 44 Ranch developers relating to financial participation for the construction of the roundabout at Cattle Drive/George Elmer Drive, for the Mullan Road/George Elmer Drive traffic signal, and all George Elmer Drive base roadway improvements in accordance with existing City, State and 44 Ranch developer MOU’s prior to final plat approval for Phase One, subject to review and approval by Public Works.” Several questions have come up in connection with this issue including: 1. What was the overall agreed upon dollar amount that Stockyard Investments, LLC (the Flynn Ranch developer put in the memo to satisfy the participation requirement? 2. What payment frequency was established to satisfy the participation requirement? 3. Flynn Ranch was developed in three phases. Were any financial reviews conducted to determine the sufficiency of those fees in view of rising labor and construction costs as time went on? 4. Has the City of Missoula received the full payment agreed to in the (MOU) from the Flynn Ranch developer? If no, what is the outstanding balance and what is the City of Missoula doing to collect any outstanding balance? Thank you. John Hancock

    John Hancock asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for the additional question. From City Engineer for Surface Transportation Kevin Slovarp:

    1. The overall agreed upon amount was approximately $33,000 that the Flynn Ranch Developer put in to satisfy the participation requirement.
    2. There was no payment frequency as the entire amount was provided initially.
    3. The City agreed to be a financial participant in the project some time ago and agreed to provide the cost increases due to rising labor and construction costs.
    4. The City of Missoula had received full payment agreed upon in the MOU. The City will need to work with the Flynn Ranch Developer to turn this financial obligation into cash in order to construct the project.

     

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  • Share Will the George Elmer/Cattle Dr. roundabout require altering any land or landscaping on the Flynn Ranch side of the project? This question is asked upon learning of how the Mullan Build intends to acquire land at George Elmer/Mullan. on Facebook Share Will the George Elmer/Cattle Dr. roundabout require altering any land or landscaping on the Flynn Ranch side of the project? This question is asked upon learning of how the Mullan Build intends to acquire land at George Elmer/Mullan. on Twitter Share Will the George Elmer/Cattle Dr. roundabout require altering any land or landscaping on the Flynn Ranch side of the project? This question is asked upon learning of how the Mullan Build intends to acquire land at George Elmer/Mullan. on Linkedin Email Will the George Elmer/Cattle Dr. roundabout require altering any land or landscaping on the Flynn Ranch side of the project? This question is asked upon learning of how the Mullan Build intends to acquire land at George Elmer/Mullan. link

    Will the George Elmer/Cattle Dr. roundabout require altering any land or landscaping on the Flynn Ranch side of the project? This question is asked upon learning of how the Mullan Build intends to acquire land at George Elmer/Mullan.

    John Hancock asked over 4 years ago

    Thank you for your question. Kevin Slovarp, City Engineer for Surface Transportation, provided the following response:  "The roundabout project shouldn’t have to alter any land or landscaping on the Flynn Ranch side of the project, but we’ll take a closer look during final design. However, the landscape will likely be affected by the BUILD trail that is planned for the west side of GED right-of-way adjacent to Flynn Ranch."

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