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Share The extra lane shown in the roundabout design- east bound, Broadway onto Toole- is an extreme danger to pedestrians crossing Broadway on the west side of the intersection. This is known as the pedestrian double threat. Drivers and bikers are also in grave danger with the extra lane, as there are blind spots and drivers will be changing lanes in the roundabout. The extra lane causes a 'fastest path' to be way too high for drivers (especially aggressive drivers). Without seeing the intersection evaluation report, we cannot make an informed decision on the alternatives, nor can we advocate to others who rely on our expertise with street design. Was a pure single lane roundabout evaluated? It would be relatively easy to merge the two approaching lanes from Russell/Broadway into a single lane, before the roundabout. If we are serious about Vision Zero, and preventing injuries and deaths on our streets, then a pure single lane roundabout must be evaluated and shown to the public _before_ the public can make an informed decision or opinion on the best way forward. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation, www.strans.org, mist@strans.org on Facebook
Share The extra lane shown in the roundabout design- east bound, Broadway onto Toole- is an extreme danger to pedestrians crossing Broadway on the west side of the intersection. This is known as the pedestrian double threat. Drivers and bikers are also in grave danger with the extra lane, as there are blind spots and drivers will be changing lanes in the roundabout. The extra lane causes a 'fastest path' to be way too high for drivers (especially aggressive drivers). Without seeing the intersection evaluation report, we cannot make an informed decision on the alternatives, nor can we advocate to others who rely on our expertise with street design. Was a pure single lane roundabout evaluated? It would be relatively easy to merge the two approaching lanes from Russell/Broadway into a single lane, before the roundabout. If we are serious about Vision Zero, and preventing injuries and deaths on our streets, then a pure single lane roundabout must be evaluated and shown to the public _before_ the public can make an informed decision or opinion on the best way forward. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation, www.strans.org, mist@strans.org on Linkedin
Email The extra lane shown in the roundabout design- east bound, Broadway onto Toole- is an extreme danger to pedestrians crossing Broadway on the west side of the intersection. This is known as the pedestrian double threat. Drivers and bikers are also in grave danger with the extra lane, as there are blind spots and drivers will be changing lanes in the roundabout. The extra lane causes a 'fastest path' to be way too high for drivers (especially aggressive drivers). Without seeing the intersection evaluation report, we cannot make an informed decision on the alternatives, nor can we advocate to others who rely on our expertise with street design. Was a pure single lane roundabout evaluated? It would be relatively easy to merge the two approaching lanes from Russell/Broadway into a single lane, before the roundabout. If we are serious about Vision Zero, and preventing injuries and deaths on our streets, then a pure single lane roundabout must be evaluated and shown to the public _before_ the public can make an informed decision or opinion on the best way forward. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation, www.strans.org, mist@strans.org link
The extra lane shown in the roundabout design- east bound, Broadway onto Toole- is an extreme danger to pedestrians crossing Broadway on the west side of the intersection. This is known as the pedestrian double threat. Drivers and bikers are also in grave danger with the extra lane, as there are blind spots and drivers will be changing lanes in the roundabout. The extra lane causes a 'fastest path' to be way too high for drivers (especially aggressive drivers). Without seeing the intersection evaluation report, we cannot make an informed decision on the alternatives, nor can we advocate to others who rely on our expertise with street design. Was a pure single lane roundabout evaluated? It would be relatively easy to merge the two approaching lanes from Russell/Broadway into a single lane, before the roundabout. If we are serious about Vision Zero, and preventing injuries and deaths on our streets, then a pure single lane roundabout must be evaluated and shown to the public _before_ the public can make an informed decision or opinion on the best way forward. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation, www.strans.org, mist@strans.org
Bob Giordano
asked
about 1 month ago
Hi Bob -
The Intersection Control Evaluation step that we are in has two stages. Stage 1 identifies all potential intersection configurations and shortlists only those configuations that are feasible and goal-aligned. Stage 2 involves a detailed evaluation of those shortlisted alternatives and provides a recommendation for a preferred concept. The single lane roundabout was not shortlisted (carried forward) to the Stage 2 analysis because it was predeicted to be at or over capacity on multiple approach legs of the intersection upon opening for use on Day 1.
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Share Regarding the text box on the left side of the diagrams that says, "Match proposed shared non-motorized facilities along Broadway to be implemented with Russell Street Project.", does that mean a design for Broadway from Russell to this project has already been chosen? What does 'shared non-motorized facilities' mean? Thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST on Facebook
Share Regarding the text box on the left side of the diagrams that says, "Match proposed shared non-motorized facilities along Broadway to be implemented with Russell Street Project.", does that mean a design for Broadway from Russell to this project has already been chosen? What does 'shared non-motorized facilities' mean? Thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST on Linkedin
Email Regarding the text box on the left side of the diagrams that says, "Match proposed shared non-motorized facilities along Broadway to be implemented with Russell Street Project.", does that mean a design for Broadway from Russell to this project has already been chosen? What does 'shared non-motorized facilities' mean? Thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST link
Regarding the text box on the left side of the diagrams that says, "Match proposed shared non-motorized facilities along Broadway to be implemented with Russell Street Project.", does that mean a design for Broadway from Russell to this project has already been chosen? What does 'shared non-motorized facilities' mean? Thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST
Bob Giordano
asked
29 days ago
Hi Bob,
More or less — the general treatment of the non-motorized facilities (i.e. sidewalks, bike paths, etc.) along Broadway has been identified, but the final design has not yet been completed. The current concept calls for these facilities to be separated from vehicular traffic. Based on design guidelines, it is anticipated that the intersections will include shared use paths, while the midblock segments may transition to a bike lane adjacent to the sidewalk (located behind the curb and still separated from traffic).
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Share I prefer the roundabout design rather than traffic signal, however it needs to be a single lane and the entrance angle needs to be increased to reduce speeds, this will reduce accidents and the severity of accidents for both motorists and pedestrians. The city needs to take more proactive measures to reduce vehicle speeds in town to save lives and improve quality of life for those that live here, rather than prioritizing a few minutes of travel time for motorists passing through. on Facebook
Share I prefer the roundabout design rather than traffic signal, however it needs to be a single lane and the entrance angle needs to be increased to reduce speeds, this will reduce accidents and the severity of accidents for both motorists and pedestrians. The city needs to take more proactive measures to reduce vehicle speeds in town to save lives and improve quality of life for those that live here, rather than prioritizing a few minutes of travel time for motorists passing through. on Linkedin
Email I prefer the roundabout design rather than traffic signal, however it needs to be a single lane and the entrance angle needs to be increased to reduce speeds, this will reduce accidents and the severity of accidents for both motorists and pedestrians. The city needs to take more proactive measures to reduce vehicle speeds in town to save lives and improve quality of life for those that live here, rather than prioritizing a few minutes of travel time for motorists passing through. link
I prefer the roundabout design rather than traffic signal, however it needs to be a single lane and the entrance angle needs to be increased to reduce speeds, this will reduce accidents and the severity of accidents for both motorists and pedestrians. The city needs to take more proactive measures to reduce vehicle speeds in town to save lives and improve quality of life for those that live here, rather than prioritizing a few minutes of travel time for motorists passing through.
Kp837
asked
about 1 month ago
Thank you for your comment. I hope you were able to fill out the survey with these comments. This project, and others like Downtown Safety-Access-Mobility project will be able to implement changes to the streets of Missoula to improve the safety for all users. Stay tuned as we move forward with these projects.
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Share We need to see the ICE report. We cannot properly evaluate the options until seeing the detailed analysis. Please post the ICE report, and then you need to hold open the survey for two weeks after the date in which you post the ICE report on this webiste. Can you do this please? thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST, mist@strans.org on Facebook
Share We need to see the ICE report. We cannot properly evaluate the options until seeing the detailed analysis. Please post the ICE report, and then you need to hold open the survey for two weeks after the date in which you post the ICE report on this webiste. Can you do this please? thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST, mist@strans.org on Linkedin
Email We need to see the ICE report. We cannot properly evaluate the options until seeing the detailed analysis. Please post the ICE report, and then you need to hold open the survey for two weeks after the date in which you post the ICE report on this webiste. Can you do this please? thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST, mist@strans.org link
We need to see the ICE report. We cannot properly evaluate the options until seeing the detailed analysis. Please post the ICE report, and then you need to hold open the survey for two weeks after the date in which you post the ICE report on this webiste. Can you do this please? thank you, -Bob Giordano, MIST, mist@strans.org
Bob Giordano
asked
about 1 month ago
Bob, once completed the Intersection Control Evaluation (ICE) report will be posted to this site. The stage in which public comment is taken is now through 7/23, during the ICE analysis so that we can better understand community input at this intersection. Once the ICE report is finalized, the stakeholders (MDT and City of Missoula) will select an intersection configuration based on the following factors: safety, traffic operations, environmental and community considerations, right-of-way impacts, and constructability/phasing. The reason we cannot leave the survey open after the report is finalized is because the community input will be included in the report.
Our project schedule indicates that we'll wrap up the ICE report and select an intersection at the beginning of August. We need to select that design so we can move forward with design and push to be in construction as early as next summer.
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Share Here is some background to our question: It is essential that the signal at Broadway/Toole/California is converted to a modern single lane roundabout. There have been no confirmed injuries at the Missoula roundabouts, while there is an injury about every day at a Missoula traffic signal. A conversion to roundabout at this location is projected to save money, time and lives. It is very important that the roundabout be a pure single lane roundabout with no extra lanes. The two lanes coming from Russell, for instance, will need to merge into one lane well before the roundabout. It is also essential that this roundabout not incorporate 'fast exit design' principals, as that type of design causes crashes and stress, with no benefit in an urban area. Let's prioritize putting an end to traffic crashes and deaths, and harmonizing flow. When is the most appropriate time for the community to advocate for a specific design for the roundabout at this location? Thank you very much, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation. on Facebook
Share Here is some background to our question: It is essential that the signal at Broadway/Toole/California is converted to a modern single lane roundabout. There have been no confirmed injuries at the Missoula roundabouts, while there is an injury about every day at a Missoula traffic signal. A conversion to roundabout at this location is projected to save money, time and lives. It is very important that the roundabout be a pure single lane roundabout with no extra lanes. The two lanes coming from Russell, for instance, will need to merge into one lane well before the roundabout. It is also essential that this roundabout not incorporate 'fast exit design' principals, as that type of design causes crashes and stress, with no benefit in an urban area. Let's prioritize putting an end to traffic crashes and deaths, and harmonizing flow. When is the most appropriate time for the community to advocate for a specific design for the roundabout at this location? Thank you very much, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation. on Linkedin
Email Here is some background to our question: It is essential that the signal at Broadway/Toole/California is converted to a modern single lane roundabout. There have been no confirmed injuries at the Missoula roundabouts, while there is an injury about every day at a Missoula traffic signal. A conversion to roundabout at this location is projected to save money, time and lives. It is very important that the roundabout be a pure single lane roundabout with no extra lanes. The two lanes coming from Russell, for instance, will need to merge into one lane well before the roundabout. It is also essential that this roundabout not incorporate 'fast exit design' principals, as that type of design causes crashes and stress, with no benefit in an urban area. Let's prioritize putting an end to traffic crashes and deaths, and harmonizing flow. When is the most appropriate time for the community to advocate for a specific design for the roundabout at this location? Thank you very much, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation. link
Here is some background to our question: It is essential that the signal at Broadway/Toole/California is converted to a modern single lane roundabout. There have been no confirmed injuries at the Missoula roundabouts, while there is an injury about every day at a Missoula traffic signal. A conversion to roundabout at this location is projected to save money, time and lives. It is very important that the roundabout be a pure single lane roundabout with no extra lanes. The two lanes coming from Russell, for instance, will need to merge into one lane well before the roundabout. It is also essential that this roundabout not incorporate 'fast exit design' principals, as that type of design causes crashes and stress, with no benefit in an urban area. Let's prioritize putting an end to traffic crashes and deaths, and harmonizing flow. When is the most appropriate time for the community to advocate for a specific design for the roundabout at this location? Thank you very much, -Bob Giordano, Director, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation.
Bob Giordano
asked
about 2 months ago
Thanks again for your engagement on this project and your input on roundabout design. If you haven't done so already, be sure to review the pros and cons of each intersection type and fill out the survey here to provide input!
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Share How much will this cost? We just went through the whole reconfiguration 15 years ago with the Broadway diet. Seems like the city is just looking for something to do. on Facebook
Share How much will this cost? We just went through the whole reconfiguration 15 years ago with the Broadway diet. Seems like the city is just looking for something to do. on Linkedin
Email How much will this cost? We just went through the whole reconfiguration 15 years ago with the Broadway diet. Seems like the city is just looking for something to do. link
How much will this cost? We just went through the whole reconfiguration 15 years ago with the Broadway diet. Seems like the city is just looking for something to do.
Bob_But
asked
about 2 months ago
Thank you for your question and your concerns about costs.
We are currently in the first phase of the project, known as the Intersection Control Evaluation (ICE). During this step, we’re evaluating multiple factors, including safety, traffic operations, environmental and community considerations, right-of-way (ROW) and property impacts, as well as constructability and phasing.
While the hard costs for construction for each design option will be estimated and considered under constructability and phasing, we’re also looking beyond upfront costs. We're using a comprehensive approach that includes both Life Cycle Cost Analysis (LCCA) and Benefit Cost Analysis (BCA). These methods account for not only design and construction costs, but also long-term operation, maintenance, safety benefits, traffic efficiency, and community impacts.
Stay tuned as we continue through this process.
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Share Will you please consider getting rid of any kind of 'fast exit design' for a potential roundabout here? 'Fast exit design' is not needed and tends to cause stress and danger. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation on Facebook
Share Will you please consider getting rid of any kind of 'fast exit design' for a potential roundabout here? 'Fast exit design' is not needed and tends to cause stress and danger. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation on Linkedin
Email Will you please consider getting rid of any kind of 'fast exit design' for a potential roundabout here? 'Fast exit design' is not needed and tends to cause stress and danger. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation link
Will you please consider getting rid of any kind of 'fast exit design' for a potential roundabout here? 'Fast exit design' is not needed and tends to cause stress and danger. Thank you, -Bob Giordano, Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation
Bob Giordano
asked
about 1 month ago
Thank you for your input on the roundabout design, Bob. If you haven't done so already, be sure to review the pros and cons of each intersection type and fill out the survey here to provide input!
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Share Will design options be posted online either before or after the open house? on Facebook
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Will design options be posted online either before or after the open house?
Ivan
asked
about 2 months ago
Hi Ivan, thank you for your question. We are working hard to get the images of the intersection concepts posted before the open house on July 9 from 4:30 to 6:30 at 1500 Burns Street. When the concepts are ready, we'll post them to this site. Thanks for engaging with us!
- Project Team
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